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Old 06-29-2016, 02:53 PM   #451
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In the show it wouldn't surprise me. They're very flagrantly in love with tyrion and erased anything that made him at all a grey character in the books

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Old 06-29-2016, 05:01 PM   #452
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yeah Tyrion, my fat fingers slipped. for me personally, that would be my ultimate ending. Tyrion on the throne, but I don't see it happening.

I thought they groups would unite to take on the white walkers and such. so if cersei is removed early it would allow them to transition to that a little easier.
I actually meant the fact that you said "not a mention of a Lannister" Although I get why you wouldn't count him as one.

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Old 06-29-2016, 09:03 PM   #453
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Haha. I even missed where you emphasised the point earlier.

That said it's hard for me to think of tyrion in the same regards as cersei. I think like with Jaime he has some truly redeeming qualities.

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Old 06-30-2016, 02:00 PM   #454
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also i googled for this "5 key players" thing, and it seems to be based on initial outlines and notes on the series that martin drew up before even starting writing the series. but, other stuff in that outline is different from how it actually ended up playing out in the books, so who knows

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Old 07-25-2017, 12:47 PM   #455
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ugh already hating this season. euron is clearly the new ramsay bolton "magically smart and effective super-evil" that this show loves so much, and it's already boring the shit out of me

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Old 07-25-2017, 02:10 PM   #456
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hate may actually be a strong word. episode 2 wasn't too bad prior to that shit at the end. except for the fact that they still don't seem to know what to do with the arya story. are we supposed to be cheering on the revenge porn or worrying about her keeping her soul? it seems to shift week to week

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Old 07-25-2017, 03:07 PM   #457
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lol when I saw this thread pop up the first thing in my head was "ugh I fucking hate Euron rn." Cockblock.

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Old 07-26-2017, 12:04 PM   #458
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I did lol when  Theon jumped. I get that it preserved his life as well as his sisters, but still. 

I also know it won't end this way but I do not anyone on the throne, I want the white walkers to win.

@sean I have not hated the episodes, but something does seem off about much of it. as for euron...I thought he was going to have a quick death. I thought the sand snakes all had poisoned weapons. guess not.

I avoid the previews from week to week. so is arya still going to king's landing or did that talk make her decide to head for home?

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I wouldn't be surprised if Littlefinger or someone accidentally kills a disguised Arya now, bonus hilarity points if Jon does it himself

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Old 08-15-2017, 01:29 PM   #460
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nah, instead they just manufactured the most nonsensical beef between arya and sansa because "bitches be catty" i guess

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Old 08-15-2017, 02:00 PM   #461
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The reunion of the Stark kids has been so damn awkward. I wanted hugs and to feel all emotional and I did for a little until they ruined it with tension and weirdness. I get that it's probably a product of the grave situations they are all in but like, Stark babies are home together finally after a really, really long time.

I should be hyped up for the North now that the wolfpack is home, but now I'm just worried they'll all distrust and sabotage each other because they all think the other is off somehow. Jon and Sansa was like the most heartwarming reunion and even now Jon treats Sansa like she should keep quiet since she dumb and ain't Queen of the North.

Lena Headey can act her damn ass off, though, wow.

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i know, right? it should be one of the best payoffs of the entire series and they've utterly ruined it at every turn

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Yeah it makes sense that there'd eventually be tension between them, and there wouldn't be time to show them having a long talk where they tell each other everything that happened.

But they are, sisters who've not seen each other in years and they thought the other was dead. Have they really not found the time to have a normal conversation?

People don't seem to talk to each other in this show, they just stand around brooding instead.

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Old 08-21-2017, 02:43 PM   #464
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What a GREAT fucking plan that was, King in the North. What a good follow up idea it was to just stand around gawking and forcing yourself to fight things instead of getting on the fucking dragon you were praying for and getting the hell out of dodge.

How nice of the Night's King to prove a point and go after the flying dragon instead of the one just sitting in front of him, not moving, carrying tons of enemies, waiting for Jon goddamn Snow to get the fuck on.

Um also Arya what is wrong with you girl are you having problems? I think you have a slight touch of fucking insanity going on right now, you aggressive weirdo.

And man, should we be worried for Brienne? I feel like Cersei isn't gonna be into this.

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the arya/sansa shit is officially the low point of this already shitty series. it's like actively hateful at this point, and it's certainly proving once and for all that the producers have no idea what to do with this show/its characters, and furthermore don't particularly give a shit. and yes, i'm sure it's leading to arya killing littlefinger, but that doesn't make it any better and in fact makes it worse -- all of this garbage is just to set up for one of their Shocking Moments™ and to hell with what that means for the characters. fuck this show

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Old 08-22-2017, 03:10 PM   #466
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also, it's nice that dany doesn't give a rip about one of her dragons (to which she has consistently referred to as her "children") dying because jon (her nephew, mind you) is oh so dreamy. i just can't imagine defending this garbage at this point

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*locks them away for seasons*

THEY ARE MY CHILDREN

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haha. I love this thread just for the fact that the dip in quality is highlighted so well by sean.

I still enjoy many elements of the show, but I think once they passed the source material all bets are off. the characters acting so out of 'character' is the most frustrating for sure. I do love any and all scenes with the Hound, but even he lost his cool throwing shit at the white walkers. horribly ill conceived plan to capture one, but it was all to show off battle scenes and dragon attacks.

even with all that said, I am geeked for Sunday night.

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An improvement, but so much of that didn't make sense.

At first I didn't I understand what Jon was being stubborn about, I thought Cersei was only asking that he remain neutral DURING THE TRUCE, which is fine because they wouldn't even have time to think about other things while they're dealing with the walkers. It wouldn't be betraying his word to work with Dany again after they theoretically deal with the walkers and resume the war for King's Landing. But I guess she meant that he must always remain neutral.

Of course It was only there so they'd have an excuse to have Tyrion talk to her and "persuade her", but then she's still plotting against them anyway, which is what she always would have been planning to do regardless. And of course Euron's actions don't make a whole lot of sense, because he can't have known Cersei's plan right then and there if they haven't even had one single discussion after having just seen the wight for the first time. He fucked off before the scene was over, so he wouldn't even have seen the roadblock they hit during the negotiations. I mean I did like that it showed Cersei still having humanity to not have him killed given the opportunity. (although that being said, it hardly would have helped her to kill him right then and there)

And as for the whole Sansa/Arya/Littlefinger. The destination of that plot was fine, but the way they got there was so illogical. I mean I guess the idea is Sansa eventually see's through Littlefinger after the "what's the wort thing speech" Then I guess she has an off-screen conversation with Arya and Bran and clear everything up.. but then they've all known Littlefinger is completely untrustworthy anyway. And they've only been able to learn new bad things about him through... Bran's visions? And everyone else just happily accepts that as evidence? As apparently she's somehow talked about this with everyone else in Winterfell and told them how this trial would be going down without him knowing anything about it.

And it still doesn't actually resolve their issues with each other. I guess Arya just calmed down and thought about things for 10 seconds and realised her anger at Sansa was insane.

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yeah, they didn't even bother trying to make sense of that. if they were plotting together all along, it makes no sense (they had private conversations that littlefinger couldn't possibly be privy to, plus why bother doing all that when this exact scene could have played out in episode 3?). if they made a truce at the last second it not only doesn't make sense (for the reasons you pointed out -- how did they get buy-in from everyone, including the vale, for this plot? AND to do so without littlefinger, who is second to maybe only varys insofar as knowing what people are up to), but also does not come even close to absolving arya of her shitty psychotic behavior. and anyway, when sansa accused him of killing lysa why the fuck did he immediately admit it when he could have easily pointed out that SANSA FUCKING BACKED UP HIS STORY. so either she lied to cover up the murder of her own aunt (which is actually true) or she's lying now in order to trick the vale knights into following her (which anyone, especially littlefinger, could have easily argued). it's just such a shitshow and it's all just to provide a watercooler moment that everyone saw coming a mile away anyway!

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isn't arya's psychotic behavior kinda absolved because she was most likely just doing it to make littlefinger think she was feuding with sansa? she was blind for a while and is probably able to sense when littlefinger is spying on her and when he isn't so she was just trying to throw him off so he could eventually be executed in front of everybody like her father.

even if it wasn't part of her plan to act psychotically, i kinda liked that they didn't really shy away from how fucked up and distubing her storyline really was beyond the "badass" scenes she usually has. it's not an inherent flaw for a character to act differently after they've become a trained killer that takes people's faces. the actual bag thing was dumb as hell tho

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the only way the littlefinger stuff can make sense is if you believe that he had spies all over listening to arya/sansa during those moments. that still does not explain why he admits freely to doing almost everything they bring up in the chambers. the guy is one of the most skilled liars ever, and he just falls apart under questioning without trying to mount a 'real' defense.

The Bran/Sam talk at the end was the worst part of the episode for me. I love Sam but that was just an awkward scene as far as the acting, and it was just rushed to fill everyone in on what they mostly know. the only thing it cleared up for me is that there was no kidnapping or rape. aside from that and jon's real name...everything else was known.

the shorter episode run really has hurt what the show could be this season. im hoping they just have an awesome story planned for the last run. fingers crossed.

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Remember when one of the Starks that Littlefinger betrayed is rumored to have the ability to see through space and time, and then confirmed it by dropping his modus operandi from a private conversation years ago in another land into conversation, and Littlefinger did nothing about it?

What a genius, he'll be missed.

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isn't arya's psychotic behavior kinda absolved because she was most likely just doing it to make littlefinger think she was feuding with sansa? she was blind for a while and is probably able to sense when littlefinger is spying on her and when he isn't so she was just trying to throw him off so he could eventually be executed in front of everybody like her father.

even if it wasn't part of her plan to act psychotically, i kinda liked that they didn't really shy away from how fucked up and distubing her storyline really was beyond the "badass" scenes she usually has. it's not an inherent flaw for a character to act differently after they've become a trained killer that takes people's faces. the actual bag thing was dumb as hell tho
they can't have their cake and eat it too. if arya's so damaged as to be threatening to murder her sister for dumb reasons, then their "make up" scene is pretty worthless, isn't it. also, are you suggesting we weren't supposed to give the "fuck yeah revenge murder!" fist pump as she killed littlefinger? like, she can't be "awesome badass assassin" AND "utterly broken mess" at the same time -- and you certainly can't just pivot back and forth as the plot requires without reason or consequence. that's called shitty writing

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also there's just no realistic way that littlefinger could have been spying on those conversations. and if he WAS so completely competent as to be capable of that, then how did they accomplish this trick that involved getting literally everyone in winterfell other than him to sign on without him knowing?

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also there's just no realistic way that littlefinger could have been spying on those conversations. and if he WAS so completely competent as to be capable of that, then how did they accomplish this trick that involved getting literally everyone in winterfell other than him to sign on without him knowing?

because....shut up.

yeah as I said you have to have a major sense of disbelief. perhaps his spies were in on it. the spies could have easily just lied to him and made him think his plan was working. then there would have been no need for the arya/sansa scenes. it is all kinds of sloppy, but thats where the show is out now.

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oh, and i forgot to even mention the biggest problem with the "doing it to make littlefinger think she was feuding with sansa" theory, which is -- WHY?! they didn't make him reveal anything they didn't already know. again, that same "trial" scene could have played out almost exactly as it did back in episode 3, so why would they have bothered with this elaborate conspiracy?

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^ I think becuase they just had to have those characters do something. they were both abandoned this season in the story.

sansa is a pretty boring character all the time. at least arya had some interesting points along here story arc, but it is alnmost like they have been reunited for the sake of not having to write separate stories for each character.

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i mean, i get "why" in the context of a tv show, but even in that respect it failed. they fucked up two integral characters and wasted a season's worth of their plot in order to pull a twist that everyone saw coming

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zombie dragon tho'

seriously, I think I am just going to go into the last season wanting to be entertained and nothing else. I think for the most part if I would have taken that approach with this season I would have been happier as a viewer. I was entertained, just wanted the story to be the strong point.

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