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Old 06-22-2016, 05:41 PM   #421
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The Snapchat version of the ep is more amusing than I expected it to be

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Old 06-23-2016, 10:53 AM   #422
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have to admit that I enjoy reading the rumors and theories that are everywhere.

the sansa pregnancy one is in full force. everyone is basing it off a remark said by ramsay. weird.

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Old 06-24-2016, 09:27 AM   #423
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i wouldn't put it past the show doing something that stupid, but it simply HAS to have been many months since she escaped winterfell. she made it to the wall (and stayed there for who knows how long), traveled around the north trying to recruit forces, then back to winterfell. she'd be showing by now, no doubt. but again, i put nothing past tweedle dee and tweedle dumb at this point

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i was talking about the show yesterday and likened it to the walking dead. which, the more i think about it the more it seems apt: the plot doesn't make much sense, the characters just kind of do whatever the story needs at that moment instead of having any real development, it's the bleakest portrayal of humanity possible, and the show is usually just farting along until it can get to the next Big Moment™. those moments are usually pretty great, mind you, but are essentially the only reason to watch the show/s anymore

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I'll cosign that. I stopped watching The Walking Dead after the season finale where Deanna gives control of the community to Rick after that husband guy accidentally kills Deanna's husband. The biggest difference between the two shows is I had no idea where The Walking Dead was going and that made the fact that they couldn't write anything interesting in between Big Moments so much worse. With GOT I know the payoff is eventual, but as TWD went on, payoffs stopped being a sure thing which takes away the bread from the shit sandwich.

The Hound coming back a couple episodes ago emphasized that problem. His dialogue in pursuit of the murderers was the best part of that episode and it made me realize the show only kept around three types of characters. Everyone still around is either too big to fall and is busy with exposition, shrewd and underplaying every scene, or boring and timid. The barbaric bacchanal of grasping for power has ended and the last two seasons just feel like the writers are putting everything into place for the eventual clash of Dragons VS Westoros VS Whitewalkers. The last two seasons, Davos has consistently been the most fun character to watch. Davos. Where the early seasons had me rooting for the death of characters due to their nefarious misdeeds, now I'm rooting for the death of characters due to their complete ineffectual nature. Tommen is like some bizarro Joffrey where I'm boiling with rage as he continues his Jimmy Carter reign. Like for tonight's episode, I'm actually hoping Cersei exposes his illegitimacy so his head ends up on a pike.

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Old 06-26-2016, 01:50 PM   #426
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you should feel vindicated in stopping the walking dead after last season ended with them murdering a main character in a POV shot so as to not reveal who the murdered character was. it was the cheapest ploy i've ever seen a tv show pull, followed closely by earlier in the same season where they show us Glen being killed and then pull a "just kidding!" 5 episodes later

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and honestly the more i think about and consider this season of game of thrones, the less i like it. especially when i think about the same storylines in the books and how they're thematically different between the two. we've already talked about sansa, but theon is another perfect example. in the books, theon is basically GRRM throwing the revenge porn fantasy back in the audiences face. he makes us hate him, even wish for terrible things to happen to him, and then he forces us to watch the worst possible things befall him until we're like "wait, no, nobody deserves this!" in the show, though, theon is basically a joke. show theon is a beta male faggot who shouldn't have tried to be alpha and now we get to laugh at him for failing. even now, his sister laughs off his suffering and they retcon a scene of theon being mean to tyrion back in season 1 (even though the opposite was actually true) so he too can ridicule the dickless wonder.

it just shows the mindset of the producers and how utterly awful they are

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Hahaha, they did the opposite of the murder mystery cliche of showing the POV of the murderer in a finale? "What are you doing here. Where did you get that gun! I knew it was you all along...."

I swore Theon was going to get some kind of revenge on Ramsay. How else could he salvage what was left of his psyche and become a worthwhile character again? But then they had his sister tell him to find his balls and that seemed to work too.

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haha yeah. the worst thing was that everybody was waiting for the "who is negan gonna kill?" reveal. they built it up over the entire season. it was the entire POINT of the season, and then they copped out at the end. and the producer was like "the end of this story is that negan kills somebody. who he kills is the start of a new story." which is the most nonsensical and lamest excuse of all time. he should have just been like, you know what fuck yall we wanted higher ratings for the premier. suck it

like, the soap-opera scenario you mentioned, cliched as it is, at least makes sense. that's then a mystery that can play out over a period of time. not just "oh btw this is what actually happened at the end of last season"

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Yeah, that sounds more like if Se7en ended with a POV shot from within the box as Brad Pitt finally looks in and realizes who is inside.

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After sitting through 4-5 hours of the sparrow bullshit, it ends like an Adult Swim show where the writers say "Fuck it, then everything explodes."? Then Tommen robs me of my revenge boner by offing himself and now Cersei is named Queen regnant despite people knowing she just blew up everyone else? Man, the producers really wanted a common enemy in King's Landing.

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Holy shit Tommen OoO

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Old 06-27-2016, 03:15 PM   #433
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yeah even I felt for the kid then, I never was interested in his character, but that first 20 minutes or so was brutal and everything came fast.

I am one of the few from what I have read online that enjoyed seeing arya take revenge.

the scene with sansa and jon seemed like it was shot the day before to appease people who were questioning everything last week.

to speak to the walking dead discussion...I am a sucker. even when I know its lazy, and semi predictable I watch and mostly enjoy. I think it is because I read the comics from the beginning and can accept changes to the story. yeah the cliffhanger/point of view ending this season was lame...but honestly every cliffhanger the show has done has been bad.

with GOT I do not know where the story is going, and with little to no reference for me (avoiding the books for now)...I guess it all just seems kind of fresh to me. I do understand the frustration with both shows at times. the entertainment value just trumps it for me I guess.

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Old 06-28-2016, 03:26 PM   #434
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I know people have been saying this for a while but this seriously feels like fan fiction at this point. Jon being made king in the north makes no sense. Cercei being made queen makes no sense. All seven kingdoms would be in open revolt after what she did. Hell one of the main points earlier in the season was that they couldn't really do anything to the high sparrow openly because the commoners would revolt. Soooo she just blows them up? Along with their most holy site? And half the city? And the queen? And everyone just allows this? Also cersei suddenly doesn't care all that much that her last child is dead? What even is this? And arya's entire story is just revenge porn now. She doesn't, I do t know, go see Jon or anything. Nope, gotta go get cartoony nonsensical revenge first! just nothing makes sense anymore

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I dont get why Sansa, as basically the head of the Stark family, didn't legitimize Jon Snow, or can only a bastards father do that? Could've been a short scene and it would make more sense having the lords fall in line with him.

Having Jon Snow declared King of the North could come off as a fan service... Sansa looking happy, tears of joy... but then she sees Littlefinger. He's already plotting, she's gotta know that. His whole plan requires Sansa to rule the North, to help him take the Iron Throne. Jon just got in his way. So, fan service? Maybe, but I think it's more about setting up a conflict between Littlefinger & Jon.

Regarding Cersei, while everyone would certainly suspect her, could anyone prove it was her? There are several people who knew the mad king stockpiled explosives, they could've claimed it was an accident or that it was done by some enemy of the crown as an assassination attempt.

Clearly they didn't discuss any of this, but they didn't also say that everyone knows she did it and made her queen anyway.

As for her not caring... I think they were trying to portray her as emotionless and shut down, completely broken. Just staring forward, no expression... or, I thought, a permanently pained expression. With nothing holding her to the world anymore, she's about to go bat-shit crazy.

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I wonder if Cersei has just kinda realized that whole prophecy wasn't gonna happen TO her, she was gonna cause it? And that's why she knows her time is coming and maybe doesn't give a shit but wants to fuck everyone over/get revenge anyway. That's about the only thing I could say to try to justify her not giving a shit about Tommen anymore among other things.

But I just loved that shame. shame. shame.

But Margaery, damn. I feel for Olenna. And I loved her shutting down those dumb dumb Sands. But Varys lol

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i'm not sure why people are suddenly upset that varys appears in dorne out of nowhere. people have been teleporting all over the place for years now (i'm certain that if you mapped out littlefinger's travels to known timeframes, it wouldn't be at all possible). also, the shame scene bothered me. the septa sucked, sure, but the revenge porn leanings of this show are disturbing. especially when i think we're meant to be cheering it on? and i'm pretty sure they heavily implied zombie mountain was gonna rape her? it just feels super gross to me

the only thing i'll give them is at least they didn't show any gratuitous shots of tommen hitting the ground or of his dead body

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I actually didn't care about him in Dorne. I found it funny that he was on Daenerys' ship at the end...because I thought he was in Dorne :x

But yeah, teleporting DOES happen which is one of those stupid things the show does, which I believe they chalked up to momentum and junk. They don't frame / illustrate their timelines particularly well like w/ baby Sam and junk. I saw people were mad about Arya and I was just like "well we haven't seen her so I guess she traveled." Same thing would apply but it's just cut together oddly for me.

Oh yeah it was definitely gross considering what Cersei just did, and I felt for that Septa with what was about to come to her bc Cersei ain't no angel, but Headey played it so well with that particular call back it was hard not to love that line (and her outfit)

Tommen's death played out in complete silence very much stuck with me. That, the entire score to the first 20 minutes or so, plus the swelling moment of Jon revealed as Lyanna's son were good TV moments like the shame line.

And I think I have a minor crush on young Ned.

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haha, i've seen him called "ned patrick harris" which is apt

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I know people have been saying this for a while but this seriously feels like fan fiction at this point. Jon being made king in the north makes no sense. Cercei being made queen makes no sense. All seven kingdoms would be in open revolt after what she did. Hell one of the main points earlier in the season was that they couldn't really do anything to the high sparrow openly because the commoners would revolt. Soooo she just blows them up? Along with their most holy site? And half the city? And the queen? And everyone just allows this? Also cersei suddenly doesn't care all that much that her last child is dead?
well, she did blow up a good chunk of the religious fanatics in the area and probably the ones who would've been most likely to revolt and fight back, and maybe the people in the city realized that it's not a great idea to immediately contest the rule of someone who just showed she's willing to literally blow up some of her own city, and who knows if she still has some wildfire, and she has the mountain obviously. seems perfectly logical that she would get the throne, and nothing in this episode suggests that the seven kingdoms won't be pissed about this and i assume next season will deal with the consequences of this. you seem to deliberately assume the worst when trying to find holes in this show.

also, regarding cersei' reaction to tommen's death, it feels like she had resigned herself to his death a while ago and she realized how utterly incompetent and easily manipulated he was and that if the high sparrow ordered her death he wouldn't have done anything to stop it and i think that lack of loyalty to her caused her to stop caring for him in the way she loved joffrey. she could no longer rule through him because he didn't listen to her so it's almost better if she rules directly. she's always loved her kids but she's still a cold and heartless person.

this episode slayed, season was mostly great.

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also yeah the teleporting did seem especially prevalent this episode but i can't imagine giving enough of a shit about that to where it actually bothers you. if you're really desperate to have a bunch of scenes with characters in transit doing nothing or lose three quarters of the cool scenes in this show because you care more about the mundane aspects of the realism of it, then this probably isn't the show for you. also, a majority of these situations could be reasonably explained by noting that it's not like all of these events take place on the same day. one episode could span months and we don't see a lot of the stuff in between. we have no clue how much time passed between varys in dorne and varys on the ship and that goes for a number of these scenarios. i dunno, maybe i'm too quick to give the writers the benefit of the doubt because i find looking for plot holes to be such an exhausting and horrible way to watch television/movies, but i feel like there are plausible expanations for a lot of the criticisms i routinely see brought up with this show.

also, kudos to this episode for finally giving some payoff for that abysmal dorne subplot last year. doesn't make it worth it, but at least it sorta has a reason for existing.

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see kupo's post about re: honeypotting, since that's exactly what you're doing

it's not "looking for plotholes" to simply note that none of the characters' motivations make sense, and it doesn't take effort to notice it. i also find the response "well, this isn't the show for you!" to any criticism to be lazy and meaningless. defend the actual show or don't, but don't pretend it's immune to criticism. especially when the show sells itself as High Television on the level with, like, the sopranos. and again, when there are books that exist which often have the complete opposite themes and character beats (ie a real nuanced view of this world and real relateable characters with real development), it makes the producers look like arrogant turds who think they know this world better than the guy who created it

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You think a kingdom that was backing zealots that were punishing royalty for minor crimes would be cool with an ascension to the crown by someone that blew up the queen, the queen's father and brother, hundreds of noblemen, and the leader of the church as well as destroying part of the city, possibly dissolving the church itself, and being responsible for the king's death because she(a three person team of her, Dr.Frankenstein and his monster) isn't to be messed with?

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not saying they would be cool with it, because we literally have only seen pretty much nothing of her reign besides her coronation ceremony. there's nothing to suggest people aren't gonna fight back, and it's already expected it's gonna be a short reign and cersei likely knows that. the general consensus on the internet seems to be that she will be murdered next season. the fact that you guys are seeing holes and drawing conclusions with developments that have barely even started yet is what makes me say you're looking for flaws.

and yes, fear of getting blown up and the lack of any figure behind which to rally against the crown seem like valid reasons to at least temporarily allow a person to take the throne, especially when it would technically fall to her anyway with the death of tommen. in the real world, rulers have never seized power through destruction and fear? i'm sure there's a 9/11 truther joke to be made here but i can't imagine it would be very funny.

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Everyone around Cersei knows what she did. Jaime just showed up and he knows what she did. So that room of people all watching her coronation are all completely in fear from this one person who just killed probably a third of their friends? Usually when people seize power through destruction and fear, they have an army or some kind of leverage. They announce "I'm taking this" and people allow it because they are afraid of the consequence. Cersei has no such leverage. If she's in the same room as you, she can't do anything. You can just say, "Hey, before we make her Queen, let's talk about this killing business." but instead their fear is making them stay quiet in hopes she gets better with absolute power? You call this looking for holes?

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I guess it's kinda like what some were saying about Dany just burning the Dothraki temple down and everyone just being cool with it and following her. A lot of people really took issue with that (for race reasons and bad writing reasons). This seems a bit similar.

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yeah, it's similar. that temple was like the most sacred place to the dothraki and they just ignore that and abandon their entire culture to follow her? like, obviously it's cool to see someone unaffected by fire, but that seems like a bit of a stretch. but what was worse for me as far as the race issue is when the dothraki came to attack the sons of the harpy and they were being led by daario. like, these savages need a white man to guide them even though they're supposed to be some of the best warriors in the world

speaking of the sons of the harpy, they made a big deal earlier this season and last about "who's leading them!?" but i guess they just dropped that? that's one of the main points against this show is that they sem to just abandon story lines (or literally blow them up) when they can't seem to figure out a resolution. it's just bad writing. period

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yeah they do tend to let some plots fizzle out without resolution/clarification, but I think a lot of that has to do with just how many stories/plots are going on. I remember when I started watching I felt a bit overwhelmed as a viewer. that was when only about a third of this stuff was going on.

as for 'teleportion' it does irk me as a viewer. I then try to think, hey this could be days/weeks/months in between. they do need to a better job with that type of thing, but this late in the game it is not going to happen.

was told (by smyce) that GRRM said the 5 key players will be Tyriom Dany, Arya, Bran and Jon. not a mention of a lannister. I think that may really lead to the cersei is killed next season discussion.

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Why did Lancel need to follow that kid, it only led to him almost foiling the plan? Why did Pycelle need to get his own personal assassination, he was on his way to the trial anyway?
I likedthe way the whole sequence played out, but it seems like another case of them doing things just because it looks cool.

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Tyrion?

It'll be interesting if Cersei does die early next season, because at that point how many antagonists are left? Can't see Euron going very far, he already seems like a pointless subplot.

Depends partly on what Dany's attitude towards the north is. Otherwise the characters that are left don't have much beef with each other.


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yeah Tyrion, my fat fingers slipped. for me personally, that would be my ultimate ending. Tyrion on the throne, but I don't see it happening.

I thought they groups would unite to take on the white walkers and such. so if cersei is removed early it would allow them to transition to that a little easier.

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