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Old 06-08-2016, 06:26 PM   #391
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I am so into that

Also just realized I am still ~pissed off~ about Osha

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Old 06-09-2016, 08:50 PM   #392
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A bunch of images for next ep No One was released by HBO.

http://www.thegrumpyfish.com/core/no-one-14-pics-1.jpg

All the way at the bottom of these is a shot of the Waif with a shadowy figure behind her. People are guessing the figure is  Syrio .

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Old 06-10-2016, 08:05 PM   #393
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I am so into that

Also just realized I am still ~pissed off~ about Osha

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Yeah that was such a waste, like they didn't know what to do with her so thought they might as well just kill her.

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Old 06-11-2016, 06:50 AM   #394
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it may have just been a way to make the great northern conspiracy seem less likely before springing it on us in the penultimate episode. if that's true, it will have been sort of worth it, but yeah. i wish the show would have the fortitude to do something really out-there once in a while. like, instead of having the inevitable jon/ramsay battle, just have osha kill ramsay an that be that. that would have totally taken everyone by surprise. plus i'm just done with ramsay at this point. total one-note cartoon character

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Old 06-13-2016, 04:25 PM   #395
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lol that shadowy figure ended up being jack shit.

Well that was anti-climactic. A girl is Arya Stark

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Old 06-13-2016, 09:31 PM   #396
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that was stupid. the waif walking around like the terminator made me literally lol. and then she's like leaping over crowds and knocking people over running after arya? aren't they supposed to be stealth killers? also arya's actions last week make absolutely zero sense. so she really was just strolling around literally tossing bags of money around drawing attention to herself? was her plan to get gut-stabbed and miraculously be totally fine? or is she just a complete moron who got lucky?

and the other storylines were just boring

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Old 06-13-2016, 09:50 PM   #397
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My favorite part of the entire episode is that one second where The Waif stops, smiles, and readjusts her fucking clothing in the middle of the chase. Wow Waif Wow.

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Old 06-16-2016, 02:40 PM   #398
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so I am big time into this show. I avoided it for years, then in april I binged and watched all the episodes available on hbo now. I am current on this season.

the waif/arya chase did provide a few laughs, and did seem so out of place. I do hope that entire story with the many faced god comes back into play at some point...if not why even have any of it?

I love every scene with the hound. although the mountain's kill of the week was devastatingly awesome.

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Old 06-19-2016, 10:56 PM   #399
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ugh i don't know about this show anymore. a couple weeks after seeing lingering shots of a hanging olly, now we have arrows going into an already dead kids lifeless body. i guess they took the advice not to brutalize women quite so much so now they just brutilize children for their cheap "shock" moments instead

and what the fuck was the point of rickon now? did they think we needed a reason to hate ramsay more? are the producers really that stupid? rickon may as well have literally never existed. and sansa is starting to piss me off too to be honest. she tells jon they should wait for more troops but doesn't tell him that she actually knows more troops are coming soon? why would she be secretive about this? she needs jon's side to win -- does she just enjoy fucking with him? like i get that they're showing that she learned from littlefinger, but littlefinger's deceptions actually make sense

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Littlefinger being twenty minutes late did make it seem like she(they) wants Jon dead. She needed to win the battle, but perhaps her ultimate plan would have been facilitated by Jon's death? Assuming a Jon+Daenerys ending, I wouldn't be surprised if Sansa+Littlefinger betraying Jon isn't a big twist a season from now.

If it isn't that, then it's just another super convenient plot point happening exactly when it needed to. Like when the slaver's warships began their assault on port and Daenerys shows up 5 seconds after it starts with the only solution after being absent for weeks.

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Old 06-20-2016, 02:10 PM   #401
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I did not get the vibe that sansa wanted jon dead. I think she was more pissed about being dismissed or not taken as a serious part of planning the battle. she knew ramsay better than anyone. she sent the message to littlefinger, but there has been no details on whether she knew prior to the battle they were arriving. if so I think she would have told jon.

I also thought rickon would survive and he was solely a decoy to bring jon out into the open so ramsay could put one between his eyes. I was mistaken there. big time.

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Rickon would really suck at football.

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I just want to know what is going on with sam? taking the family sword and rolling out.

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That family dinner scene lasted unbearably long. I don't hate Sam by any means and would hate for anything to happen to him, but man I so don't give a shit where he and Gilly and somehow-still-a-baby-Sam are.

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haha. noted. the scene was long and uncomfortable...but clearly to show the tension/disgust that exits between sam and his father. I dig his character a lot.

also I miss gilly and her open mouth expressions.

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Yeah they definitely drove it home that this father and son don't like each other. But I mean, this show isn't exactly subtle so they could've conveyed that message in half the time, especially since it's not hard to believe that a father on this show could be a complete and total shit to his son.

But yeah they're gonna have to come back to it at some point since he does have his fancy sword and all.

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I did not get the vibe that sansa wanted jon dead. I think she was more pissed about being dismissed or not taken as a serious part of planning the battle. she knew ramsay better than anyone. she sent the message to littlefinger, but there has been no details on whether she knew prior to the battle they were arriving. if so I think she would have told jon.
so, i've been thinking about this and there's basically two possibilities. the first is that she wanted it to play out just the way it did (ie, Jon and Ramsay engage with neither knowing that more troops are coming so that Ramsay is unable to adjust once more men arrive from behind mid-battle and jon doesn't screw it up by accidentally tipping his hand). in this case, it doesn't really matter whether she knew for a fact that they were coming or not, the intent is the same. now, this is a smart strategic move, since it all but guarantees victory, but it's also kind of shitty since it sacrifices so many people on their own side to achieve it (and also shows that while she may not actively want Jon dead, she certainly didn't care whether he died). the second possibility is that she just didn't tell Jon because she wasn't sure they'd come. but to me this makes no sense. she told Jon that they needed more men, but didn't tell him that there was a possibility of getting more men. so how is he supposed to respond to that? he was under the impression that they had exhausted all possible routes of obtaining more men. so if she actually wanted him to follow her advice, she had no reason not to tell him the Vale might be coming and maybe to hold off just a while to see if they do. now, i'm not saying this isn't what happened*, but there is certainly no actually good reason for her not to tell Jon about the Vale beforehand


*in fact i assume it is what happened. lots of things in this show make no sense, because the writers want a certain plot and are too lazy to earn it. in this case it would be sansa starting to scheme like littlefinger. except that the shit littlefinger does actually makes sense and has a reason behind it, which would only be true here if it was the first scenario above. but i don't think they intend to have sansa be that shitty


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that being said, i don't wan to give the impression that i hated the episode because i didn't. the battle scene was of course epic and amazing. there are just some things about the show that i find gross or just dumb and it's more interesting to me to talk about those things instead of just "wow what a great battle!" you know?

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I'm inclined to believe the writers are just kinda stupid sometimes and forego proper storytelling for a bunch of COOL moments like an entire army showing up at the absolute last minute, but I've possibly been spending too much time on that Tumblr blog about the show I like (a blog that hates the show lol). Like this blog is actually pretty annoyed about Sansa's last scene right now (but this is also this person's fave book character). That Sansa Smirk stirring up the fans everywhere, heh.

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Fuck, TV!Sansa told Ramsay he’d be forgotten in a second. Violence cured her PTSD. And she’s now a Hardened Woman moving forward, because she doesn’t cry about her dead brother and can deliver such a gruesome execution. Boss Ass.

The fact is, this was always the only conceivable path for Sansa on this show. D&D contorted the narrative just so her rape could motivate Theon and he could get an *actual Stark* to save instead of stupid fAyra who no one could ever care about. Also so Ramsay could seem even more like a Perfect Villain. And then Sansa got to have revenge fuel. That’s all it ever was. A two season excuse for rape as a shock and violent revenge as empowerment.

I wouldn’t be so sure that this is inherently validating to survivors.
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If we needed any more confirmation, the end of the Ramsay plot just proves the only reason to make Sansa into Jeyne Pool was to rape her. In the books, Fake Arya was incredibly important to the plot of the North. On the show, in season 5, nobody cared Ramsay had Sansa as his wife, and in season 6 nobody cared Ramsay didn’t have Sansa anymore. It was just an excuse for a “shocking” moment last season, and for brutal murder to be again seen as “cathartic justice” in the worlds of The Atlantic.
Anyway, I don't think Sansa wanted Jon dead either and it was just, as sean pointed out, some kinda bad plotting there. I mean who the fuck knows sometimes. But I saw someone the other day saying Sansa was "mad" Jon was still alive when she saw him run after Ramsay. That glance she gave didn't seem like a "damn Jon's still up and walking" and more like a "there's that fucking fuck fuck Ramsay running...i c u"

Kit was amazing through the whole thing, though. I mean I thought Jon made some amazingly stupid decisions but it was something to watch, for sure. Even my mom who barely watches the show and has to have each character explained to her every week spent the whole battle going "why is he so stupid? he wants to die, huh?"

And it's not like I could possibly expect everyone to live but Rickon seemed pretty fucking useless except for just needing to be saved Stark. Eh. Probably still just mad about Osha.

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what site is that again? you've linked to a couple of their articles i think (including one about the problem with how the show views "strong female characters") and i usually agree with them

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Even if I don't agree with them on everything they say, at the very least I am always entertained by WHAT they have to say...which is usually about the writing.

You might be amused by some of her "glossary" terms too:

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Another term from the Book Snob Glossary. This actually used to be the definition of “fanwank,” before that word evolved to mean bitter complaints within the fandom.

A honeypot is a theory or interpretation proposed to make sense of something stupid on the show. It can also be used as a verb. Basically, during Season 2 and 3, there was a famous fan-theory called the “Lannister Honeypot,” which posited that Talisa had to have secretly been a spy for Tywin, because the idea of an unchaperoned sass-talking flirty nurse was so out-of-place, there had to be more to her. There wasn’t. She was just as idiotic and straight-forward (and anachronistic) as she seemed.

Examples of more current honeypots include “Yara sailed to the Dreadfort by shoving her ships over land,” “Mel looked young and hot without her necklace on in Season 4 because it was through Selyse’s worshipping lens,” and “Rickon and Osha are just pretending to be scared and this is part of the Northern Conspiracy.”

You can find more fun rationalizations in my honeypot tag.

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haha, lots of "honeypotting" that arya/waif nonsense (myself included)

and this article articulates a lot of my problems with the episode better than i did:

http://www.fandomfollowing.com/for-t...es-6x09-recap/

i don't agree with everything there, but the stuff about sansa before the battle and the pointlessness of rickon's death are particularly on point.

i'm still not sure how i feel about the "revenge porn" aspect. like most people, i was happy to see ramsay go. but when you look at it more objectively and consider that sansa was never even married to ramsay in the books and that this entire thing was therefore obviously just set up by the show to have sansa "raped into being strong" is kind of disgusting. and that being "strong" is apparently synonymous with a lack of empathy in the first place

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that being said, i don't wan to give the impression that i hated the episode because i didn't. the battle scene was of course epic and amazing. there are just some things about the show that i find gross or just dumb and it's more interesting to me to talk about those things instead of just "wow what a great battle!" you know?
I agree with all of this. I try not to dwell so much on mistakes with fantasy works, but sometimes the omissions or leaps they expect the viewer to make are absurd.

as for sansa I have been going back and forth in my head. did she know help was arriving and knowingly keep jon in the dark, or was she just hoping help would come.

speaking of sansa she seemed to have little interest in her dead brother when she saw him at winterfell. that struck me the most. she wanted her revenge at the expense of anyone. that motivation is the only reason I am entertaining the idea that she knew littlefinger was coming and withheld the info.

so stay on the sansa train...how did she know the hounds had not been fed for days. from past experience or did jon tell her? I mean she had trotted off well before ramsay made that comment..

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it certainly doesn't help that in this particular case there is a book series that makes infinitely more sense and has 1000 times better characterizations (not that the books are without flaw, of course, just way way better than the show)

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so stay on the sansa train...how did she know the hounds had not been fed for days. from past experience or did jon tell her? I mean she had trotted off well before ramsay made that comment..
lol yeah that threw me off

I mean it was damn cool line but she...didn't hear it, writers.

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Wait for the deleted scenes

"Did Ramsay say anything else after I trotted off early for dramatic effect?"

"Just that he hadn't fed his dogs for 7 days."

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Wait for the deleted scenes

"Did Ramsay say anything else after I trotted off early for dramatic effect?"

"Just that he hadn't fed his dogs for 7 days."

"Okay."
"anything else?"

"yeah, he mentioned that he doesn't bother with scouts and that he has any ravens that arrive killed without reading the messages"

"okay"

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haha.

you mentioned the books. almost always I have read the source material before viewing a show/movie. this time however I have not. when the show came out I just thought it was going to be lame, and I kept putting it off. I eventually caved and am glad I did, but I will hold off on reading until the series is over. just in case there are some spoilers left. although from what others have told me they are almost current with the last book? is that correct?

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they're actually passed the last book at this point. there may be one or two side stories that they lagged behind on, but by and large they caught up at the end of last season. but even before that they started diverging from the source material. like, in the books sansa never even married ramsay. it was just a random girl that they were pretending was arya

a new book is (hopefully) coming soon, though. but at this point i'm sure it's almost nothing like the show other than in the broadest strokes. and maybe not even that

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