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Old 04-11-2019, 05:13 PM   #931
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haha. man I forgot Enid was up there, that sums up what you said. no real connection to these characters. once I saw the big names all together I knew it was going to be the second and third tier guys. I still had hope that Ezekiel would make his way just for some comic continuity.

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Old 04-12-2019, 08:41 AM   #932
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at first i thought enid was rosita. not just because i was expecting her to be there, but the heads weren't very distinctive. in fact, i wonder if they were initially planning to have those flashes (like someone back at the kingdom like "hey, where's henry?") occur simultaneously with the reveals but then saw the footage and were like, shit no one is going to be able to tell who these are supposed to even be

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Old 04-12-2019, 11:51 AM   #933
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yeah I did a rewind on a couple of the earlier characters. they also had the fakeout with Rosita. I did wonder how they decided Bret Butler was worthy of going, but not the husband who does not do much of anything either. the only one that truly surprised me was Tara since she had taken a new direction leading hilltop. I guess Enid was a surprise as well, I just assumed she was going to be part of the future.

I do love some of the fan theories that down the line Judith will lead a rescue for Rick at Commonwealth, etc. hopefully they wrap up the whisperers arc quickly, it has already lost most of the impact because the events leading to it are so different from the comic. all the emotion of Carl being at risk are gone. the reveal being so many throw away characters, or characters who do not exist in the comic also made for a super weak reveal.

its almost like the show exists now for people to discuss how its so much less than the comic version. I try not to be one of those people who always claim the source material is superior, but in this case it becomes more and more glaring each time they stray from it.

aside from Judith, and to an extent Negan...but Aaron is becoming my favorite character on the show.

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Old 06-18-2019, 01:56 PM   #934
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sean or anyone else, do you watch fear? it chugged along and then season 3 was really good, bordering on great. you know good story, interesting characters and just some real conflict that even existed before the zombie apocalypse. it just had an uneasy vibe for me as a viewer, but you really got the motivations for most of the characters.

enter season 4. the Morgan crossover. while it was not the worst thing, because Lenny James is a fine actor, but the tone of the series changed. it became all standard TWD formula. there was a good shock moment/death, and after that moment the show lost all momentum season 3 created. it was so much time jumping during the season that you lost any investment in the characters.

I just watched first episode of season 5 the other day. it now feels like TWD 2. any change of pace, or just a different feel style wise is gone. since I think it has a far superior cast it can somehow turn around, but the stories just seem to be rehashes of what has been seen with new names for the 'baddies'.

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Old 06-20-2019, 01:11 PM   #935
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i think i stopped after season 2. just never grabbed me at all. which is why i strongly suspect that any remaining interest in the main show is entirely comics-related

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Old 06-20-2019, 05:41 PM   #936
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I almost passed, but I heard some good buzz on season 3. you should at least watch that and then I would say its cool to stop. season 3 would have been a good end point actually. it had a tone of finality, but would have left a few ends open for the viewer to decide for themselves.

it was almost like a standalone. it had no ties to the first 2 seasons.

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Old 07-06-2019, 03:08 PM   #937
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i guess kirkman surprise ended the comic series?

i don't want it to be spoiled so i'm not reading any of the articles about it, but apparently the last issue is 193? and book 16 (coming out in september) is planned to collect #s 181-192. will book 16 just tack on 193 as well, or will i have to awkwardly own 16 books of similar size and structure and then a single comic for the finale?

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Old 07-06-2019, 03:16 PM   #938
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although, at least this means the show will never "surpass" the comics (no doubt it will continue past whatever story the end of the comic is, but it will officially no longer be an adaptation at that point)

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Old 07-09-2019, 04:58 PM   #939
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yeah I saw that the comic is a wrap. I am a few issues behind and am trying my best to avoid everything related to it, I have enjoyed the read over the years and do not want to have it short changed.

the show can now reinvent itself after it passes the comic arc in whatever sense they are still following it. when they veer off the source material in the past it usually fails badly. I expect that to continue.

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Old 07-10-2019, 07:44 AM   #940
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Yeah, I think I’ve said this before but I suspect one of the reasons I still watch the show is just curiosity of how they’ll adapt comic storylines and even then it sometimes felt like a chore to watch. So once that’s gone I’m not sure it will hold me enough to bother. We’ll see I guess

Right now I’m 100% just invested in how the comics end, and hoping this was an artistic decision to end it. That and still trying to figure out if book 16 will wrap it up or not. I’ll be very annoyed if I can’t just have the entire series in book form!

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Old 07-10-2019, 04:23 PM   #941
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that is the book I am waiting on as well. I think the final stand alone release was to have the equivalent of 3 issues. I do hope it was a well thought out decision and not a knee jerk reaction to wanting to spend more time in other avenues of the universe.

The main show is still a watch, but for vastly different reasons than it used to be. fear has such crazy highs and lows. last season and this to an extent just feel like more of the same. at this point might as well just combine them together in totality.

I am intrigued for the 'rick movies'. the little bit I have learned about the helicopter people from ftwd has been pretty interesting, and very vague.

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Old 07-11-2019, 01:58 PM   #942
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oh, those people are in the other show? like i said i gave up on that one a while ago. i think part of my disappointment was that they hyped it as "we're gonna spend more time on the very beginnings of the outbreak" but then by, like, episode 3 it was just walking dead: West Coast

i probably would have kept watching tbh, but when i moved a couple years ago i forgot to set it up to tivo and then didn't bother catching back up. same thing happened with that show the strain

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Old 07-11-2019, 02:45 PM   #943
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haha yeah I did skip season 2 and 3 originally when they aired. season 1 was just so boring. a coworker spoke highly of season 3, so I used the amc app to catch up. he was right, it gained a lot of momentum...but now it seems to have lost most of it.

The addition of Morgan and Dwight are not really the issue, actually most of the characters are pretty interesting and have good chemistry. it is still the story telling/plots they put them in which is the issue. as soon as gimple became more involved, the show devolved.

as for the helicopter crew, yeah there have been a few shots. even an episode that gives a bit of a glimpse into who they are, but still very secretive. you do get to see one interact with a major Fear actor for an entire episode. while I am not big on the standalone episodes...that was the best one of this season.

I still think it is a much better show comparing between the two.

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Old 07-12-2019, 11:03 AM   #944
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maybe i'll pick it back up at some point. anyway when you said "I think the final stand alone release was to have the equivalent of 3 issues" does this mean it won't be included in book 16 or are you just speculating? like i said, i've been collecting the books so i will be a little salty if they don't cover everything and i end up with some awkward issue that doesn't match anything else on the shelf

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Old 07-12-2019, 01:14 PM   #945
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I remember reading that the final stand alone issue was going to have a select number of pages which equaled what 3 monthly installments would be. I can not confirm since I am avoiding until I catch up.

I would think they would include it with the last book. it does not release until sometime in September, which gives them plenty of time to make sure it is added.

sounds like you got a bit of an ocd collection issue as well. haha I am the same way, book spines of a series have to match. same with movies and games.

also, it is kind of sad that this is now the most active thread on the board. walking dead is more than appropriate.

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Old 07-15-2019, 12:24 PM   #946
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yeah i mean i don't need them to all be identical or anything, but if it's 16 similarly structured books and then one random issue that's not even in the same ballpark i will be disappointed for sure. definitely not enough to go back and buy all new versions just to make it look "clean," but still

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Old 07-30-2019, 12:22 PM   #947
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I decided to just go with the volumes to get current. I am up through issue 186, and the last volume comes out in a couple of weeks...which will wrap it up.

I will say issue 186 ends on a note I did not expect. I love misdirection when well done, and this was. the great part if it was not out of character for those involved, it was just really well done and abrupt.

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Old 07-30-2019, 02:57 PM   #948
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i'm guessing that's all beyond book 15? if so i'm not there yet

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Old 07-30-2019, 03:11 PM   #949
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btw, the amazon description of book 16 now goes up to 193 (the final issue), so i assume that will cover everything. it initially was only up to 192

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Old 07-30-2019, 03:11 PM   #950
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correct, book 15 runs through issue 180.

I finally felt good enough about my eyes after my retina treatment that I gave book 15 a read last weekend. I then decided I was not patient enough to wait until September for the last book. So I ordered volume 31 and preordered 32, which is out soon. I will then pass them to my nephew and eventually get the last book to complete the set. I was just so far behind and catching up was a blast.

you really remember why it is a good story when you get to read it. I do worry that the last few are going to feel rushed or incomplete. what just occurred at the end of my last read opens the door for tons more material, but then there were only 7 issues and its over.

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Old 07-30-2019, 04:37 PM   #951
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yeah i sort of worry about the "surprise ending!" aspect of it, because it makes it seem like maybe he went for shock value over letting the story sort of organically end. timing-wise, i think it's probably for the best, though. it never got as cyclical as the show of course, but it was getting to the "ok what else can really be done in this world?" point for sure. so it likely would have either become stale or had to take a major shift which is always iffy

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Old 08-27-2019, 01:39 PM   #952
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sean, no worries. the comic had what I thought was a truly touching ending. even more after it set it. kirkman also has a pretty long note to readers where he explains what his original intent was, but the how things just changed as the comic went on.

there is one pretty emotional page in particular which got me good, the eyes watered a bit. partially for the characters, and in part because some of it just brought back memories of me and my dad.

nothing felt like it was done to shock, but there are some really unexpected things that happen. I think the book you are waiting on comes out next month. let me know what you think.

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Old 08-28-2019, 02:13 PM   #953
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yeah only a couple weeks at this point

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Old 09-10-2019, 02:53 PM   #954
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think the last book drops today, hope you dig it.

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Old 09-11-2019, 01:15 PM   #955
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didn't get delivered yesterday like it was supposed to. hope to get it today

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got it and read it last night. i think i'm still figuring out my feelings on it, because it was very downplayed and didn't go for anything truly unexpected. rick dying would have been a shock for sure had i not known it was going to end soon, but obviously i did so i expected it to happen. the time jump is similarly an "expected" way to end it, but it definitely lived in that world for longer than most things like that do. usually, you'll have the time jump, have a quick check-in with where the characters/world are, and that's it. so i'm still sort of confused as to why he bothered with the drawn out carl/hershel plot. similar with the carl/lydia/sophia love triangle weirdness. it almost felt like the story was just going to continue on in that future, but then it ended anyway (and maybe there are plans for a "spin-off" focusing on carl and his family, i dunno). it also sort of makes it impossible to have the show end in the same way as the books. there is no character that could possibly take carl's "place" in that ending

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just read what the original ending was gonna be (i didn't read his afterward last night) and i have to say i'm glad he didn't go with that. it's a "cool" image, sure, but honestly bleakness is so often confused with depth and it's refreshing to have something not be as dark as possible for its own sake. and anyway, if people really love that ending they can still assume it comes about in the future.


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Old 09-13-2019, 11:30 AM   #958
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you might need a bit more time for it all to sink in, you binged a big story pretty quickly. thankfully to me having no patience the volumes broke it up a bit easier. no need to use spoilers in here.

knowing that Rick's death was coming did kind of weaken it a bit, at least for the impact of seeing him killed. seeing Carl that next morning, full of joy, being carefree...then walking in to see Rick in that state. it was an immediate torch pass moment. he had to be the one to end his suffering, I found that powerfully sad. the grief process is backward in this world.

there were the obvious parallel with Rick/Negan and now Carl/blank on the name right now. even the scene with the prison cell felt so similiar. then the threat at the end.

Carl's breakdown heading off to bury Rick, and the shot of everyone who was going in the caravan gave me a few chills as a reader.

So the time jump. I liked most of it, sure some was a little off. I liked the Herschel angle. It served a couple of purposes, it showed Maggie failed him as a parent in many regards. It also just showed how far removed people were from the fear of the 'old' days.

The entire court proceeding was what felt way off, since almost everyone agreed with Carl before any of that transpired. if you want Carl to give a big speech about Rick and what he did, just declare a Rick Grimes day and have at it. I guess it also allowed for a 'fuck yeah there is Michonne' moment.

the comment by a couple of the kids when leaving the courthouse. Rick to them is just like so many statues that kids do not give a shit about today. Carl and those who were there hold him so high, a bit too much in my opinion. Rick was a flawed and often times bad leader, but he always thought he was putting others first.

The bed time story wrap up was pretty good, and it was a bit more true at its heart about Rick. it made reference to mistakes and indecision. the tone was obviously triumphant, but it had some balance.

wrote more about this than i figured I would.

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yeah, the reverence for rick was too much for sure. especially having michonne be like "he doesn't get enough credit" even though she was there and knows how many people contributed and also it seems like he's practically worshiped, so how does he not get enough credit? the one part of the hershel story i really liked was at the end when they kind of humanized him a bit. it also acknowledged that the rick worship comes at the expense of people like glenn, who are all but forgotten, and makes me think kirkman may have intentionally made it like rick was given too much credit. which is often the case in big revolutions or movements; one person or a few people are the face of it and everyone else is a footnote to "their" story

and yeah, i was only planning on reading about half in one night but it kept seeming like i was right about to get to rick's death so i just kind of kept pushing and then once i got there i was like fuck it lemme just finish this. probably would have been better to read it in smaller chunks though, you're right

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I forgot to mention Dwight. that was one that got me as a reader. not so much his death, I suspected it would happen, maybe even by Rick...just not under those circumstances and certainly not at that moment. at least for me that was a really rough one to view. Dwight was as close to Rick as anyone for a significant period of time.

also the little touch of Carl and Sophia's daughter being named Andrea. I am a sentimental, mushy guy most of the time anyway. it only gets more devout with age. that small thing I really enjoyed, also when Carl refers to her as mom before leaving for Hilltop several issues prior to the Commonwealth storyline. I believe he was with Rick at her grave for that part.. even the scenes of Rick sleeping next to her grave. that is some heavy, heavy shit when you get down to it.

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