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View Poll Results: Do you think music is subjective?
Yes, it is. 42 6.38%
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Old 11-25-2008, 11:29 AM   #61
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edit: if you do not enjoy their songs, you would like them live.
this can't be a serious comment

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Old 11-25-2008, 11:33 AM   #62
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you'll either like them live or you and your family will be executed.

Choose.

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Old 11-25-2008, 11:47 AM   #63
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Music is subjective because I think this is the best video on youtube (balding afros are cool): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3LoTevFNbY

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Old 11-25-2008, 03:16 PM   #64
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they are great live. if you have not seen them, shut the fuck up.

i am glad to have you guys to tell me what good music is though. Thanks!

edit: if you do not enjoy their songs, you would like them live. they are mostly up there to just jam, something they do very well. they put on a great show, that counts in my book.
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Old 11-25-2008, 06:31 PM   #65
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no no. i have learned from this board that being a good guitar player means producing good music.

mr know-it-all!?!?

i thinks SRV is a great guitarist and i like the RHCP...what the fuck do i know?

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Old 11-25-2008, 06:49 PM   #66
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it's already been said by mvh, but proficient musicianship doesn't necessarily translate to listenable and accessible music.

the mars volta fucking suck, period. frances the mute is a pretty good example. i like ( almost love) the first two tracks..and then after that...it's just an unfocused cyclical mess that falls on its face fairly quickly. that one track with the latin singing..uh, so horrible

i can't see how anyone can listen to a mars volta album from beginning to end

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Old 11-25-2008, 06:54 PM   #67
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no no. i have learned from this board that being a good guitar player means producing good music.

mr know-it-all!?!?

i thinks SRV is a great guitarist and i like the RHCP...what the fuck do i know?
What the fuck are you babbling about?

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Old 11-25-2008, 07:01 PM   #68
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i sort of agree with arizona... if i'm understanding him. if you're fast on the guitar but don't put out a good product, i say you're not a talented musician. to me that's like saying a basketball player has good form but he misses his shots.

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Old 11-25-2008, 07:16 PM   #69
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i would say it's more like having good form and making your shots, but making them for the oklahoma city thunder.

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Old 11-25-2008, 07:25 PM   #70
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also, by your analogy, you're essentially agreeing with the standard that music is NOT subjective.

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Old 11-25-2008, 07:47 PM   #71
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wait. i am?

[edit] oh you mean that i'm saying music is objective in that it is a result based medium. i can sort of see that. maybe basketball wasn't the best analogy. i dunno, i still like mine. don't involve the team because i assume we're not judging his band as a whole, right? and don't worry so much about the winning and losing as you're right, then it makes music objective. that kind of twists my argument. rather, it's just mayer manipulating the instrument like the athlete's manipulating the ball.

i was trying to see the difference between being a talented musician and putting out good music. i wasn't asking him so much to judge the result, but rather how he could separate the two. i definitely see where he (and you) are coming from.

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Old 11-25-2008, 07:54 PM   #72
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Everyone who is a good composer is automatically a good musician.
Everyone who is a good instrumentalist is automatically a good musician.
Everyone who is both is automatically a good musician.

However, to be a great musician via being an instrumentalist, just technical proficiency is not enough.

Isnt it obvious?

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Old 11-25-2008, 08:13 PM   #73
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don't involve the team because i assume we're not judging his band as a whole, right?
the team part of the analogy was related to his genre, not his band. he's a talented instrumentalist/player, who no one notices and no one cares about, because he's off playing for a shitty team/genre somewhere that no one cares about and will notice him in.

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Old 11-25-2008, 08:21 PM   #74
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no no. i have learned from this board that being a good guitar player means producing good music.

mr know-it-all!?!?

i thinks SRV is a great guitarist and i like the RHCP...what the fuck do i know?
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:25 PM   #75
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To the people who say music is completely subjective:

Is there any type of music that you think we can say is objectively better than another type of music? For example, clanging a spoon against a metal pan vs. paranoid android. both are music, but can't we say that there is something indefinably better about the latter?

that's the point, I think. I feel like music can be objective in the sense that this indefinable objective measure may exist...but without knowing what the objective measure is, it can't really be applied to adjudicating which is better of two types of music.

in other words, my argument = music might be objective in the sense that some things are definitely better than others. however, I don't think we can always determine what it is that makes one better than the other.

or this could all be pseudo-intellectual stoner bullshit. yeah it's probably that.

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I feel like music can be objective in the sense that this indefinable objective measure may exist...but without knowing what the objective measure is, it can't really be applied to adjudicating which is better of two types of music.
There is no objective measure, just a shitload of contexts of various levels all fading into one another.
In the end, were all stuck behind our eardrums.

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Old 11-25-2008, 09:51 PM   #78
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the team part of the analogy was related to his genre, not his band. he's a talented instrumentalist/player, who no one notices and no one cares about, because he's off playing for a shitty team/genre somewhere that no one cares about and will notice him in.
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Old 11-25-2008, 10:21 PM   #79
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FIRST ONE MUST DEFINE MUSIC

i just listen to sounds that i like

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Music - deliberately organized sounds.

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Old 11-25-2008, 10:32 PM   #81
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Introduccin

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kwii Ee.
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Oooooooooooooooooooooooo,
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beeeee b fmms b w t,
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primera parte:

tema 1:
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pgiff,
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tema 2:
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tillll,
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tema 3:
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3
rakete bee bee,
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exposicin:

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Ziiuu ennze ziiuu rinnzkrrm
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rakete bee bee? rakete bee zee.
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desarrollo:

Fmms b w t z Uu,
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Rrummpff tillff toooo? Ziiuu ennze!
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ziiuu ennze ziiuu rinnzkrrm!
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ziiuu ennze ziiuu rinnzkrrm!
Rakete bee bee!
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ziiuu ennze ziiuu rinnzkrrm!
Rakete bee bee
Rakete bee zee

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Dedesnn nn rrrrr, Ii Ee, mpiff tillff toooo, tillll, J-Kaa?
(cantado)
Rinnzekete bee bee nnz krr m, ziiuu ennze ziiuu
rinnzkrrm,
Rakete bee bee.
Rrummpff tillff toooo?

1
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Rum!
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Rum!
RrRrRrRrRrummpff tll?
Rum!
RrRrRrRrRrRrummpff tllff toooo?
Rum!
RrRrRrRrRrRrRrummpff tllff toooo ziiuu!
Rum!
RrRrRrRrRrRrRrRrummpff tllff toooo ziiuu ennze!
Rum!
RrRrRrRrRrRrRrRrRrummpff tllff toooo? Ziiuu ennze!
ziiuu nnzkrrm
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ennze ziiuu nnzkrrm, ziiuu ennze ziiuu
rinnzkrrm!
Rum!
RrRrRrRrRrRrRrRrrRrRrRRrRrRrRrummpff tllff
toooo?
Ziiuu ennze ziiuu nnzkrrm
Ziiuu ennze ziiuu rinnzkrrm
Rakete bee bee
Rrrrummmm!!!!(gritando)
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Ziiuu ennze ziiuu nnzkrrm
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Rakete bee bee?
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4
Rakete rinnzekete
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Rinnzekete bee bee nnz krr m, ziiuu ennze ziiuu rinnzkrrm,
Rakete bee bee.
Rrummpff tillff toooo?
Ziiuu ennze ziiuu nnzkrrm, ziiuu ennze ziiuu rinnzkrrm,
Rakete bee bee.
Rakete bee zee.
Fmms b w t z Uu
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Fmms b fmms b w Fumms b w t?
Fmms b fmms b w Fumms b w t z Uuuu?
Rattatata tattatata tattatata
Rinnzekete bee bee nnz krr m?
Fmms b
Fmms bw
Fmms b w t????? (gritando)
1
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segunda parte

largo
(pronunciacin regular, cadencia precisa 4/4, a continuacin cada
serie se declama un cuart de tono ms bajo, por lo tando hay que comenzar
lo suficientemente alto)

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo (J)
Bee bee bee bee bee - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Zee zee zee zee zee - - - - - - - - - -- -
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
nn ze - - - - - - - - - -nn ze - - - - - - -
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
6
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (K)
Bee bee bee bee bee - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Zee zee zee zee zee - - - - - - - - - -- -
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Rinnzekete -- - - - - bee- - - -bee - - - -
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Enn ze - - - - - - - - - -nn ze - - - - - - -
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo (L)
Bee bee bee bee bee - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Zee zee zee zee zee - - - - - - - - - -- -
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Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
nn ze - - - - - - - - - -nn ze - - - - - - -
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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tercera parte

Scherzo
(los temas sern declamados siguiendo sus propias caractarsticas)
Lanke trr gll (M)
pe pe pe pe pe
Ooka ooka ooka ooka
III
8
Lanke trr gll
pii pii pii pii pii
zka zka zka zka
III
9
Lanke trr gll
Rrmm
Rrnnf
III
4
Lanke trr gll
Ziiuu lenn trll?
Lmpff tmpff trll
III
3
10
Lanke trr gll
Rrumpff tilff too
III
4
Lanke trr gll
Ziiuu lenn trll?
Lmpff tmpff trll
III
3
10
Lanke trr gll
Pe pe pe pe pe
Ooka ooka ooka ooka
III
8
Lanke trr gll
Pii pii pii pii pii
Zka zka zka zka
III
9
Lanke trr gll
Rrmmp
Rrnnf
III
4
Lanke trr gll

Trio(declamar muy lentamente)

Ziiuu iiuu (N)
ziiuu aauu
ziuu iiuu
ziiuu Aaa
3
Ziiuu iiuu
ziiuu aauu
ziuu iiuu
ziiuu Ooo
3
Ziiuu iiuu
ziiuu aauu
Zziuu iiuu
3
Scherzo
Lanke trr gll (vigoroso) (O)
pe pe pe pe pe
Ooka ooka ooka ooka
III
8
Lanke trr gll
Pii pii pii pii pii
Zka zka zka zka
III
9
Lanke trr gll
Rrmmp
Rrnnf
III
4
Lanke trr gll
Ziiuu lenn trll?
Lmpff tmpff trll
III
3
10
Lanke trr gll
Rrumpff tilff too
III
4
Lanke trr gll
Ziiuu lenn trll?
Lmpff tmpff trll
III
3
10
Lanke trr gll
pe pe pe pe pe
Ooka ooka ooka ooka
III
8
Lanke trr gll
Pii pii pii pii pii
Zka zka zka zka
III
9
Lanke trr gll
Rrmmp
Rrnnf
III
4
Lanke trr gll
III


cuarta parte

presto
(la cuarta parte es rigurosamente cadenciosa, excepto las declamaciones
aadidas en el desarrollo)
...............................................................................................................
tema 11:
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm (P)
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
11
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
11
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
11
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
11
Bemm bemm
Bemm bemm
Bemm bemm
Bemm bemm
11
tema 12:
Tilla loola luula looa
Tilla Luula Loola Luula
Tilla loola luula looa
Tilla Luula Loola Luula
12
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm (comenzar muy fuerte)
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
11
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
11
Bemm bemm
Bemm bemm
Bemm bemm
Bemm bemm
11
tema 13:
Tatta tatta tuiEe tuEe (Q)
Tatta tatta tuiEe tuEe
Tatta tatta tuiEe tuEe
Tatta tatta tuiEe tuEe
13
tema 14:
Tilla lalla tilla lalla
Tilla lalla tilla lalla
Tilla lalla tilla lalla
Tilla lalla tilla lalla
14
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tee tee tee tee
Tee tee tee tee
.....................................................................
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tee tee tee tee
Tee tee tee tee
13
Tatta tatta tuiEe tuEe
Tatta tatta tuiEe tuEe
Tatta tatta tuiEe tuEe
Tatta tatta tuiEe tuEe
13
Tilla lalla tilla lalla
Tilla lalla tilla lalla
Tilla lalla tilla lalla
Tilla lalla tilla lalla
14
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tee tee tee tee
Tee tee tee tee
.....................................................................
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tee tee tee tee
Tee tee tee tee
13
Ooo bee ooo bee
Ooo bee ooo bee
Ooo bee ooo bee
Ooo bee ooo bee
6
(repetir la cuarta parte desde el principio hasta aqu) (R) (S)

desarrollo:
Ooobee tatta tuu (T)
Ooobee tatta tuu
Ooobee tatta tuii Ee
Ooobee tatta tuii Ee
Ooobee tatta tuiiEe tuiiEe
Ooobee tatta tuiiEe tuiiEe
6/1
Tatta tatta tuiiEe tuiiEe
Tatta tatta tuiiEe tuiiEe
13
Lmpff tmff trill
Ziiuu lenn trill
Ziiuu lenn trill
Rrumpff tilff too
13
3
4
Rinnze kette bee
Rinnze kette bee
Rinnze kette bee bee
Rinnze kette bee bee
Rinnze kette beebee beebee
Rinnze kette beebee beebee
3
Rinnze kette beebee nnzkrr m?
Ziiuu ennze ziiu rinnzkrrm
Rakete bee bee
3
3a
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
11
Graaaaa
Graaaaa
15
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
11
Graaaaa
Graaaaa
15
Ooobee tatta tee
Ooobee tatta tee
Ooobee tatta tee tee
Ooobee tatta tee tee
Ooobee tatta teetee teetee
Ooobee tatta teetee teetee
Ooobee tatta teeta tatta
Ooobee tatta teeta tatta
6/13
Tatta tatta teeta tatta
Tatta tatta teeta tatta
13
Ooobee tatta tuu
Ooobee tatta tuu
Ooobee tatta tuii Ee
Ooobee tatta tuii Ee
Ooobee tatta tuiiEe tuiiEe
Ooobee tatta tuiiEe tuiiEe
6/13
Tatta tatta tuiiEe tuiiEe
Tatta tatta tuiiEe tuiiEe
13
Tilla lalla tilla lalla
Tilla lalla tilla lalla
14
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tee tee tee tee
Tee tee tee tee
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tee tee tee tee
Tee tee tee tee
13
Ooo bee ooo bee
Ooo bee ooo bee
Ooo bee ooo bee
Ooo bee ooobee tatta
6
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
11
Tilla loola luula loola
Tilla loola luula loola
12
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
11
Tilla luula loola luula
Tilla luula loola luula
12
Loola luula loola luula
Loola luula loola luula
Luula loola luula loola
Luula loola luula loola
.............................................................
Luula luula luula luula
Loola loola loola loola
Loola loola loola loola
Luula luula luula loola
12
Oobee tatta tuu
Oobee tatta tuu
Oobee tatta tuuta tatta
Oobee tatta tuuta tatta
6/13
Tatta tatta tuuta tatta
Tatta tatta tuuta tatta
Tatta tatta taata tatta
Tatta tatta taata tatta
13
Rinnze kette bee
Rinnze kette bee
Rinnze kette bee bee
Rinnze kette bee bee
Rinnze kette beebee beebee
Rinnze kette beebee beebee
3
Beebee beebee beebee beebee
Beebee beebee beebee beebee
3
Tatta tatta taata tatta
Tatta tatta taata tatta
.
Grimme glimme gnimme bimbimme
Grimme glimme gnimme bimbimme
11
Graaaaa graaaaa
Graaaaa graaaaa
15
Lmpff tmff trill
Ziiuu lenn trill
Ziiuu lenn tril
Rrumpff tilff too
10
3
4
EkeEke ekeEke ekeEke ekeeKe
EkeEke ekeEke ekeEke ekeeKe
EkeEke ekeEke Rrrumm!
EkeEke ekeEke Rrrumm!
EkeEke ekeEke Rrum Rrum
EkeEke ekeEke Rrum Rrum
16
16/4
Rrum Rrum Rrum Rrum
Rrum Rrum Rrum Rrum
4


resolucin (U)

Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
11
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
11
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
11
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
11
Bemm bemm
Bemm bemm
Bemm bemm
Bemm bemm
11
Tilla loola luula loola
Tilla luula loola luula
Tilla loola luula loola
Tilla luula loola luula
12
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
11
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
Bumm bimbimm bamm bimbimm
11
Bemm bemm
Bemm bemm
Bemm bemm
Bemm bemm
11
cadencia (adlibitun)(aqu se mantiene la cadencia, la cadencia puede ser
modificada por el intrprete utilizando las partes del conjunto de la
sonata, en su lugar hago seguir aqu una cedencia general con nuevos temas)

Priimiiti (V)
Priimiititii
17
Priimiititii too
Priimiititii taa
Priimiititii too
Priimiititii taa
17
Priimiititii tootaa
Priimiititii tootaa
Priimiititii tuutaa
Priimiititii tuutaa
17a
Priimiititii tootaatuu
Priimiititii tootaatuu
Priimiititii tuutaatoo
Priimiititii tuutaatoo
17a
Tatta tatta tuutaa too
Tatta tatta tuutaa too
13/17a
Tatta tatta tuiEe tuiiEe (W)
Tatta tatta tuiEe tuiiEe
Tatta tatta tuiEe tuiiEe
Tatta tatta tuiEe tuiiEe

Tilla lalla tilla lalla
Tilla lalla tilla lalla
Tilla lalla tilla lalla
Tilla lalla tilla lalla
13
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tee tee tee tee
Tee tee tee tee
.....................................................................
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tee tee tee tee
Tee tee tee tee
14
Tatta tatta tuiEe tuiiEe
Tatta tatta tuiEe tuiiEe
Tatta tatta tuiEe tuiiEe
Tatta tatta tuiEe tuiiEe
13
Tilla lalla tilla lalla
Tilla lalla tilla lalla
Tilla lalla tilla lalla
Tilla lalla tilla lalla
14
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tee tee tee tee
Tee tee tee tee
.....................................................................
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tuii tuii tuii tuii
Tee tee tee tee
Tee tee tee tee
13
Ooo bee ooo bee
Ooo bee ooo bee
Ooo bee ooo bee
Ooo bee ooo bee
6
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo (X)
6
Dll Rrrrr bee b
5
Fmms b w t z Uu,
pgiff,
m
1
rakete rinnzekete
rakete rinnzekete
rakete rinnzekete
rakete rinnzekete
rakete rinnzekete
rakete rinnzekete
Beeeee
b
3
3a
Bee
b
Bw
bwr
Bwbp
bwrbpo
Bwrtbpo
bwrtbpo
tbpo
tbpo
tbpo
tbpo
1
Ooka ooka ooka ooka
Zka zka zka zka
Rmmp rnnf rmmp rnnf
8
9
4
Rumftillfftoo? Rrrrrrum!
Lanke trr gll? Rrrrrrum!
Dedesnn nn rrrrr? Rrrrrrum!
4
III
2
Mpiff tillff too? Rrrrrrum!
Zikete bee bee? Rrrrrrum!
2
3
F? Rrrrrrum!
Ennze, enzee? Rrrrrrum!
2
3
Rrumpfftilffto?
Bee bee bee bee bee
Zee zee zee zee zee
4
3a
Pe pe pe pe pe
Pii pii pii pii pii
Poo poo poo poo poooo?
8
9
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm (entonacin ms fuerte)
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
Grimm glimm gnimm bimbimm
11
Ooo bee (entonacin menos fuerte)
Ooo bee
Ooo bee
Ooo bee
6

final:

Ztt psiilon iks (emocionado) (Y)
Wee fau Uu
Tee ss rr kuu
Pee Oo nn mm
Ell kaa Ii haa
Gee ff Ee dee zee beee?
18
Ztt psiilon iks ( ms emocionado)
Wee fau Uu
Tee ss rr kuu
Pee Oo nn mm
Ell kaa Ii haa
Gee ff Ee dee zee beee?
18
Ztt psiilon iks (normal)
Wee fau Uu
Tee ss rr kuu
Pee Oo nn mm
Ell kaa Ii haa
Gee ff Ee dee zee beee Aaaaa
18a
Ztt (muy emocionado)
psiilon iks (Z)
Wee fau Uu
Tee ss rr kuu
Pee Oo nn mm
Ell kaa Ii haa
Gee ff Ee dee zee beeee? (afligido)
18

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Well, levels of organization vary, of course.



Kurt Schwitters rocks. Sorta.

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I liked it best when we were badmouthing Red Hot Chili Peppers.

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To the people who say music is completely subjective:

Is there any type of music that you think we can say is objectively better than another type of music? For example, clanging a spoon against a metal pan vs. paranoid android. both are music, but can't we say that there is something indefinably better about the latter?
maybe, but if there's a single person out there who honestly prefers the sound stylings of a spoon to thom yorke (and i'm sure such a person exists) then your argument falls apart.

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Yeah, if objectivity meant majority then we could say that quality of music is objectively measurable.

The results would be certainly interesting.

Im sure that Paranoid Android would beat clanging a spoon against a metal pan to dust, also Im pretty sure Cline Dion would beat Ferenc Liszt to dust too.
Those who voted for Radiohead and Cline would be considered the ones with best tastes.

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exactly what brancely said.

the ability of any one person in the world to come forward and say 'this is better/more enjoyable/whatever than that' and not be wrong in saying so makes music subjective.

pretty simple concept, really.

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If music is subjective, then everyone's opinions on music are meaningless.

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If music is objective, then everyone's opinions on music are meaningless.
Now its correct.

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One who thinks of it that way has no love in music whatsoever.

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